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Category: Spiritual Journey
Tags: experiencegurupracticespiritualitytransformation
Entities: BengalDurga PujaKaliKrishnaMaduraMahakalShivaSri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
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I I used to be an just the average guy in college with no interest in these. No, zero interest in engineering college.
Engineering college. Zero interest in
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these things. Then I um I had an experience once.
I was I'd gone to the durabuja pandal and uh Bengali we dabbuja is like it's more both the religious festival as well as a cultural festival. So everybody goes there.
So I was there I remember um and I was
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looking at the y of vidra of ma madura and for suddenly for a few seconds just like my mind entered into some kind of a zone and normally if you go to a durabuja you'll see that all there is sound and noise and things like that
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everything stopped cut nothing no sound I could see the dity almost there standing right in front and for a second it was was real than anything I have ever seen just real I mean you can't describe it and um very organically I asked for two things that if there's any
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truth to these matters I'd like to know and another prayer came out which is more private which I don't mention but um this happened this whole thing must have happened for maybe 2 seconds or 3 seconds not even that right after that the rational mind kicks in and rational
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mind say oh must be an illusion of the mind okay this is impossible all nonsense you're just believing making stuff up I didn't even tell anybody because I I just rejected from the mind he this must not have happened I how can this happen this is obviously you know some kind of a delusion or something but
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strangely 7 days later I'm sitting with a friend of mine and there is the friend's uncle he's a very powerful very advanced to pass away he's one of the people I consider as my gurus so his he had called up this friend and he was just speaking to him and he says asks
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him that who's u so in Hindi he says that who's there in a room with you is there anybody there? So he says yeah just a friend is there pass the phone to him so he gives me the phone and I don't even know what to speak of so I just say namaste blot out a namaste and he say h
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namaste namaste and then he says I'll come to Bangalore for some office work uh meet me once okay and after I hang up the phone my friend is saying that people come from far and wide to meet him and all that and all uh so in my mind there was a mix of curiosity heck
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yeah what is happening exactly okay I officially I was more of the agnostic skeptic, gnastic and non-believer kind of things. But there was this curiosity that why do people come to him?
I said why did he call let me go and see. So I went to meet him after a few days he comes there and he's speaking to me and
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um suddenly I realized that he's speaking to me things that there is no way on earth he can know about me step by step one after the other one after the other what is going on in my life. I thought this is some trick is going on.
This is mind reading. Must be some hypnotism, mind reading, something like that because my rational mind is
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trying to justify that experience. How is it possible?
And uh then he told me uh in coming months XY Z things are going to happen with you. So yes, things like that.
Uh I have a restriction on mentioning his name in public. So that I will never do.
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He's very clear on that. But he was a very advanced upasaka of Madura as you of the Bhagavati.
You'll have to explain the word upasaka again. Basaka is one who does sadhana, one who does practice of the dity.
Okay. Okay.
So uh that is where I remember during
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conversation with him uh he gave me a mantra and said do this mantra just chant this mantra. I was curious because once I became uh once I analyzed in my own way I analyzed and saw that uh this was not mind readading.
uh there is
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nothing for him to gain from me. So if I were to hypnotize you and mind read you I have to gain something.
Why would I do it? Either I have to gain your appreciation but why would I want your appreciation?
You are a nobody. I'm just a college student.
There's nothing there. Neither do I have a lot of money.
He's not asking for my money. Anyway, I didn't have that much money anything.
So
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why what exactly is this happening? Then just a thought came that uh okay let us assume for the sake of assumption that there is a possibility of something beyond what I can understand through rationality and whatever my limited understanding of rationality is.
So then I asked him that how how do I how is
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this possible? So he said that that is where the process is you do sad.
So he gave me a mantra to chant and um for a year I chanted kept chanting nothing happened. Then one day I called
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him and said uh that uh uh nothing is happening now something has to happen. I mean why will I waste my time doing this and so many other things in life to do.
Okay. And uh uh I wanted some experience at that time.
I I used to I started off so first of all
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I my entry was like from a non-traditional background into this field. So I call always say that I was more of a lateral entry into the path of the dharma in the path of then he said okay you do an anushanam you do you take a salpa as I was explaining sulpa means
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you make a promise to the deity that I will do so much amount of sadana in so many days with these these these xyz rules that's all and then you follow those rules and do it but those rules were given by him uh somewhat given by him okay okay and somewhat but it was still a more relaxed it was not very complicated
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you can make this very complicated also the more tougher rules you put the greater and you succeed higher is the uh result you'll get okay but it was more of a thing that was kind of relaxed only thing was the timing was to be fixed every day at this specific time I had to sit at night and
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it used to take me close to 1 and a half hours of mantra japa so I remember even during weekends when uh that time my friends would come and say okay let's go to a pub and things like that I said h just wait for some time I'll finish it and then we'll Okay. So I had no
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expectation that anything will happen but just mechanically doing it but I took it more as a challenge. Okay.
These are the rules. Let's see I'll do the rules and I finished it 40 days.
It was supposed to be 41 days I remember. Then it was a Sunday at the end of it.
The next day morning I um it was
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uh it was upas of Bava. Basically I had not the faintest idea who was Vava.
I am from the background who has very standard idea of gods. There is Shiva is there, Maali is there because Bengal Kali is most popular and there's Krishna is there and all that I have no idea who
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is this. So after the 41st day I'm standing outside and I'm having coffee and I'm having very beautiful filter coffee and I'm uh suddenly I see there are cars coming 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 nine and all of them had the
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different cars but not even a group together it's like separate cars individual cars coming and each of them had this poster of JV Java and Vava is not that popular in south by the way it's popular not as popular as it is in some areas in north by the time
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the seventh or eighth car came in I was stuck that this is something is going on this is not normal this is something different because I have been here all the while I've never seen so many cars that two of the of a name that is not that popular I can understand if it is gi or some of the other daties or in
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Maharashtra if it's gpati I can understand very popular forms but there it was not there and just struck me in my head but I again rejected it I didn't take it too seriously it could be a coincidence after all I don't know That night I was in the room sleeping and 2:33
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I woke up and uh uh right in front of me I could see a presence of the lady of the devoda of behav. Yeah.
Which is supposed to be a scary form of Shiva. Scary because your mind is not accustomed to taking it.
Okay. And I got
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scared. I got full scared.
I was like I remember next day I called him up my guru. Can you describe what it looked like?
No full I will not go into description. Just that he was standing there.
Okay. And I couldn't sleep after that.
Okay. Just standing and I uh
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actually uh see there are more uh more u things involved. It was so around Shiva or around Bhava there are always ghas who are ghana means who are basically uh
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the family of the dity who are greatly connected to the dity and from that realm okay specifically for Shiva they are called shivanas or rdraas or bhavaganas. So if you do the upasana properly and suppose you have some past life link or something like that is there it is often the case that
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before the prime prahanatas the primary deity you are worshiing comes one of these gunnas will come just to see who is it calling they don't mean you any harm just to check if you can't take their energy how will you take the energy of the deity okay but this is a very standard thing what do you mean take energy
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take means you are able to see what happened that whatever that entity whatever that being was there it is not negative at all. It was there.
Uh I got scared. I got scared and I called him.
Next day I called him on phone and said that XYZ he said it's okay. Don't worry
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too much about it. If you're feeling too scared go and stay with your any other friend's house one two days and then come back.
It'll be fine. I did that one two days later.
Okay. And um for a few days I stopped the practice cuz I could not process what happened.
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But then there is some urge within me that says that no don't stop. Let's do it again.
Let's see where it goes. Where where does this stop?
Where does this go? Like this.
I kept continuing the practice. Uh so this was one of my primary first
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experiences. Now what happens is when a deity when one of these great gods whether it is Mahadura Shiva any of this suppose by some miracle or something where to come with the full energy full shi full power even passes by near you
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unless you are ready for it unless your mind and body has the power to take that you will be in a rattled state because this is a tremendously different energy in fact uh if you read that autobiography of yogi which you were referring I think I remember one of the chapters has a very interesting line
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when he's explaining about kria yoga and I read it long back he says that if your body so if you know it's like your your body is imagine your body is like a 40 watt bulb okay and if you instead of 40 watt if you put in 100 thousand watts of power what is going to happen it'll crack
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it doesn't have the capacity to take it the whole process of upasana is that you attain to the fitness where you can take the interaction with a dvata without either having any kind of a Yeah. But what happens during the interaction?
There's a sort of energy exchange. No, no.
Then that depends that's again
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those are all very so if if suppose you reach a very high state that there is a actually a deity interacts with you, he or she will try to transform you okay into something more spiritual, something that will take you to a higher zones.
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Okay, that is one of the primary things of daties. uh if they come and by the way uh because this will be heard by a lot of people there are many instances where people see deities they feel they see they see something also and yet it
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causes no transformation in them okay they remain exactly as it is so these topics are more complicated than they appear in what we can verbally explain properly that's why the necessity of a good guru uh to take give an example uh
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see in this case so what happened is After that experience, uh my practice became more intense. Okay, that's good.
Fine. That's a sort of a blessing from the dity.
There are people I know who see daties who claim to have seen and I'm not doubting them at all. But it has
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caused not the slightest change in them. On the other hand, if you go back and read the biography of a saint like Sri Ramak Krishna Paramsa, so he sees Mali once, okay, once he sees and it changes him into a saint.
He becomes complete
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transformed completely. So not all seeing is same.
That's why these things uh we enter into zones which cannot be explained verbally easily and that is why there is the necessity of somebody a guru who can hold your hand and can you know correct
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you or guide you or what to take seriously what not to get too attached to things like that. Um wow okay uh you know can something evil something demonic pose as a positive
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deity? Absolutely.
And it happens. Uh one two cases I knew of individuals uh they can pose sometimes they will come with a lot of inulgence, a lot of light, lot of power and lot of things.
But
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there is one trick to it. Trick means I I say that it happens to people who worship.
Now on the surface of it, if you ask that why are you woriing? They'll say I want moka.
I want liberation. I want because of my bi etc
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etc. But deep down what is your secret desire?
What is it that you want? So I am worshiing that I become more powerful or I am worshiing I want XY Z some uh things are there.
Sometimes your greed and desire is much more than what you are allowed by nature. So what these
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entities will come they will first come with a lot of lot of etc these things uh and then they will give you to some degree what you want. they will tell you that oh you want this I'll make you the best in the this thing etc.
There is always from deep within there
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is it's like this this principle that happens in the spirituality. No possession can happen without an affirmation from within.
And affirmation is not verbal. Verbal speech is the worst of the all speeches.
It's the most useless of all speeches in the spiritual field. There are higher
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realms of speech where you don't utter any word. You can communicate.
But verbal speech is the one where you can lie and you lie not to the world. You lie to yourself.
That is the worst part. Hundreds of people do that all the time.
I am doing the puja for this purpose that purpose but your secret motivation is something else and as is your
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motivation so will be your activity to judge a person observe the actions not look at the words don't mean a thing deities don't care about your words they see what is your secret motivation so these entities often can come to people because of that if there is some
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motivation for something else and there is a greed to uh succeed fast motivation and speed so you don't want Wait, you want the faster path normal for a day to person normal the gods we re as the great gods Shiva Krishna they are not
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going to come so fast to you if it is happening very fast then get yourself checked immediately either you are a good that's where you have to go to a guru you cannot do it yourself how do you find a guru take your time don't be in a hurry you meet people uh see if their words are uh
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you know sort of uh uh jelling with you but not just words see the energy is jelling with you and the other thing is important to note is that who what is the guru parumpara which means what I mean specifically it is applied to since we were talking we are talking a lot about tantra sadhara so in
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tantra it is very important tantra sadha that who is the guru's guru who is the guru's guru's guru three generations of accomplished gurus has to be there it cannot there is no guru I don't know who my guru's guru is one day morning he got up and became enlightened It doesn't work. It
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may work in some cases but tantra and all that doesn't work because a guru is finally like there's a imagine a huge banyan tree. Guru is one of the branches or a fruit in that tree but the is connected to that whole thing ecosystem is there.
That is what a kula is. That is what a whole srada is.
The dity whose
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guru has worshiped and his guru has worshiped. In fact in tantric kopasana you have to do the worship of the gurus is very important.
You have to do tarpanam to the gurus. Serpam means basically uh a process by which you tell them that let you be satisfied.
Okay,
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there's a method of doing it. We do it for pitrus also, ancestors and all that who have expired in the Hindu ritual custom after a year or so or specifically we do tarpanam to them.
We do tarpanam to rishies also and we do tarpanam to the gurus to the three
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generations of gurus. It is necessary to do them.
It is necessary to invoke their blessings when you're doing a sadena so that they can protect you. They can guide you.
They can ensure that the right knowledge is passing through you. You are never alone.
You are just a part of this ecosystem. Even after having great guru still you
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may not progress because there is another factor which is time. Mahakal he is the lord of time.
Until he sets the tone key this is the time for you to progress you will not go. But still you practice.
I remember once long back when I was initial's days one very advanced upasaka and I was uh bit confused about
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certain things he told me that what if I tell you that you'll never make any progress in this lifetime would you continue the practice or would you leave it so I was like it was a rhetorical question I didn't answer says that it's a very simple thing if the person says genuinely if you say that okay nothing
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is going to happen you're wasting your time it's useless this lifetime is not going to happen everything for you. So then he may think what is the use of doing I have so many other things I can do.
He was not even meant for it in the first place. The person who can continue with devotion even when there is no
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sight of the result coming that is the person who has a chance eventually of succeeding and this and nature is a very good filtering process. It may be kaliuga.
It may be the time when all the sacred scriptures which were originally passed down through the samrada guru to
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shisha are all open in the internet. Yet the number of people who succeed is exactly fixed.
Not one extra will succeed. You can practice as much as you want.
Somewhere or the other something will happen. Uh so nature is this very good filtering mechanism.
Very good. I mean
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there is no greater accountant than nature in the world. Yeah.
I feel it's like kind of a river and a dam that you can keep trying even if you're not meant to do it and then Mahakal will come and say okay now lift that lift that veil gate of the dam
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and then the river will flow with force yes uh you'll probably progress really fast in the next book and in fact one of the things that happens often is that initial stages I when I deal with otherasaka's younger and they're very promising and good people the initial stages when they
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start it's it goes like this m very fast very fast lot of experiences you enjoy it suddenly it'll come this plateau that is your test how many people 70% people will fall off in this stage because you'll get bored and there are other more exciting things in life and
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I'm saying this in a non-judgmental way it's perfectly all right if you don't like it I have never in my life forced anybody into fact my first principle is if anybody approaches me try to get him off get him off if this still sticks around and
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there are the propensities that he's meant to do it and he's meant to do it through me that is also there he may be meant to do it but maybe he's supposed to get it from somebody else so I am not there to interfere in that process then I may give him one small what I feel intuitively or something like that and
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tell him and then nature will take care if he's serious if if everything is in set 6 months one year down the line the seed will start showing fruits then you can decide that with whether more guidance is required and how to you know go about interact and how to handhold
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etc necessary things but not as a guru but as an uttar saddaka uttar sadak is an advanced that's all there's a word called serendipity means that situations come together you know again it's the same thing that's effectively what you're saying that
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when situations come together progress will happen yes when it's meant to happen things will happen yes but there is a feedback loop in nature so if you just wait that when situations will happen I will not do anything right now then the feedback loop is such that
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suppose you were uh you were to start a spiritual journey 10 years from now nature can put it 10 lifetimes from now because you're not making an effort now m got all right the key is to maintain your discipline yes that was the video for today make sure you hit like subscribe to this channel
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